[MOD] A few things

[acidae.livejournal.com]

Hey guys,

Just a quick reminder that there is a masterpost for requests instilled in this community, so please use it to avoid getting your posts deleted!

For those who come across these rule-breaking posts before I do, it would also be really great if you could point them to said masterpost rather than fulfill their requests; I know it's easy to help and you do want to help - which is definitely appreciated - but just handing the links or files to them would make the whole requesting system moot and also prompt people to continue breaking the rules and asking on the community in the future. :(

On that note, I know I've been utter fail at handling the monthly requests thing, so I was wondering if anyone in the community would like to help me compile a monthly post of requests similar to the ones boys_paper does, with the name of the requester, what they want, and a link to their thread on the masterpost. I only need one person, and it shouldn't be too much work... I'll um, offer a bribe? The only requirement (besides being able to make update posts on time) is that your journal cannot be empty or a sockpuppet account, even better if you've contributed to the community before in some way; it doesn't matter where you're from, I just need someone reliable who isn't going to randomly disappear on me. XD

I know this is getting long, so just one last thing: I want to ask you guys for your opinion on links to locked posts on personal journals. The thing is, there already is a rule stating that locked posts on personal journals are not allowed, but to be honest I'm not sure how to handle the ones that are locked after a certain amount of time.


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I'm kind of up in the air about this, personally. People are of course entitled to see the post and grab the downloads while it's still public, but it's also a lot of unnecessary work to have to remember to go back through the community entries some time later to find said post and delete it. :/ Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Comments

[neocopasetic.livejournal.com]

I think the temporarily public ones should be allowed. Aside from subteams, there should be no reason for someone to friend or watch something just to get something. That's why you'd share stuff.

However, I can see why someone would want to lock things after sharing them for enough time as well. While nothing has ever actually happened, some people just like to protect themselves from JE wrath, just in case.

As long as it's open for a decent amount of time.. like 3 days or a week or so, I think that's plenty of time.

[acidae.livejournal.com]

See, if it's left public for a certain amount of time... I can assure you right now that I would forget about it a day or two after and it would be left in the community as is, long after the person has locked it. :/ I don't mind locked posts to communities, because like I said below, being a member of a community doesn't mean the maintainer can see your posts while friending a personal journal does.

[neocopasetic.livejournal.com]

I understand where you're coming from, since the community can become cluttered with things that people cannot access. And that you don't want people's privacy to be invaded when they friend someone to get a file.

However, I feel like we may be missing out on some things when people are hesitant to post things publicly for too long. I'm not the type that would worry too hard about it... but some people are...

Basically, I don't want to miss out on a lot of things because some people don't want to post publicly for too long.

But really, I do see your side too. Maybe if you can find someone to help go through posts and weed out the ones that cannot be accessed? Other than that, I can't think of any better ways..

[font.livejournal.com]

Maybe a special tag for them? Download: public (temporary) or something? Then it would be easier to just click the tag, find the posts and delete them once they're locked, rather than track individual posts or have to sort through every download posted.

[candy311.livejournal.com]

i think this tag's a great idea! (:
but of course that's provided the posters remember to tag it ._.

[acidae.livejournal.com]

That's a really good idea, thank you! I'll probably implement that then.

[leelamii.livejournal.com]

I'm okay with posts that are locked after some time and I don't think it would be necessary to delete them after they get locked. But! Some are open for eg. 24 hours and that may be not enough (at least it wasn't for me a couple of times). So maybe stating a minimum period of time they should be public?

[acidae.livejournal.com]

Mnn... I'm definitely against links to locked posts on personal journals, so I wouldn't want those kinds of posts to remain on the community. It's a potential invasion of privacy since the other person can view your own entries once you've added them, and I think it's just generally good practice to keep the community as free of that sort of thing as possible.

[brighty11.livejournal.com]

I don't mind them until I'm looking for something, find it deep deep down in the archives, and then I end up going nuts when I realize that it's been locked for weeks/months/years. Way to get my hopes up, guys ;__;

So I agree with the deletion idea... though I could see that being really hard to monitor >.<;;

[kohie.livejournal.com]

Mh. I don't have problems joining a community to get something locked, but I wouldn't like to friend someone for it. I'm just too lazy to filter all my entries, and my journal isn't Friends Only for nothing. For graphics, they could post them directly in the community, friends locked. I see that that might be a bit more annoying than just linking back to the original entry but I think it's a bit more considerate to people who like they're privacy. Or like some fansubbers do, they could make something like a master post of their work every week. Or all two weeks or even only once a month, depending on their work pace. If they lock their work, that is.
Ah, I can't really make my mind up about it ._.

Also, if no one has volunteered for taking care of the requests yet, I'm up for it :D

[acidae.livejournal.com]

Thanks for offering! You're the first to volunteer, so I guess you're stuck with the job. XD

Like I said already, it shouldn't be too much work-- it would be great if you could put up a post at the beginning of each month (preferably within the first three days) and tag it with the !requests tag. Let me know if you have any questions about what to do, because I'm sure I probably forgot a bunch of things. Thanks again!

[kohie.livejournal.com]

Oh, that's great :D And seeing that viridian_virtue commented the same minute that I did, I guess I'm lucky that I still was the first xD

Posting on time shouldn't be a problem. And I'll make sure to bug you when I have questions :)

[mynamelessname]

I'm kind of split on the locked posts issue. I can understand why people would want to lock the posts after a certain amount of time. However, if they plan on sharing downloads and whatnot, there's nothing stopping them from creating their own sharing community and making it members only. Personally, I would do that anyway because I like to keep stuff like that separate from my personal journal.


Also, I'd be more than willing to help out with the monthly requests post, if needed. I have a strange fascination with organizing stuff like that. XD

[acidae.livejournal.com]

Thanks for offering! I've already taken someone up on their offer since they asked first, but I hope it would be okay to come bug you about it in the future should she decide to stop for whatever reason. :3

[mynamelessname]

Oh yeah, definitely feel free to bug me if you need someone else. XD

rquests posts.

[hutmahbut.livejournal.com]

Hi, I can help you with the request posts if you still need it ^_^

oo, and i also voted for 'Allow the temporarily public posts, then delete when they're locked', because i think that anything that anyone posts to the community should be open to access for everybody, otherwise, why would you post it. that's just what i think.

Re: rquests posts.

[acidae.livejournal.com]

Thanks for offering! I've already taken someone up on their offer since they asked first, but I hope it would be okay to come bug you about it in the future should she decide to stop for whatever reason. :3

Re: rquests posts.

[hutmahbut.livejournal.com]

no worries ^__^ and feel free to bug, lol!

[kegom.livejournal.com]

I'm one of the people who's against the locked posts, because I don't like the idea of having to friend someone just to get a file that I might like, or a wallpaper that looks interesting, or something.

Plus, I feel that it must be seriously annoying for the people who come into the community late and find themselves looking at locked posts , not to mention the fact that it's a rather heavy duty for any maintainer or moderator to keep on seeding out locked posts.


On the other hand, though, I can of course also understand that people don't want to leave their stuff lying around openly and don't want to open a community for their stuff.



So, maybe a compromise would work? Like, for example, the links to locked posts are allowed if (and only if) the original poster promises (in the post) to give the links to every later-comer who pm's them about it?
Like that, people wouldn't have to friend someone just to have access to some files, and the posters wouldn't have to leave their files lying around openly where the "wrong" people might stumble upon them.

[hontowa.livejournal.com]

I can help with the requests posts if you like. My journal looks empty at the moment because it's friends only, but I swear I'm not a sock XD

As for the locked posts, that's a good question. I know I personally lock my fanclub pamphelt scans after a week out of the whole paranoia thing. I think you lock some of your scans as well at your scans community if I'm remembering correctly? But I agree that there is a problem with the privacy issue with personal journals. When I originally made mine, it was just as a place to put fandom related things so that my friends didn't get their lists bombarded with things they might not be interested in. I didn't realize it would grow so much, and now I'd rather not move to a community just because of a few posts once every several months are going to get locked.

I think it would be a lot of work for you to have to go back and delete entries once the open period expired, so I'd vote for an all or nothing approach - either temporarily open but later f-locked posts are allowed, or they're not. That seems simplest =/ I vote on the side of allowed, just because I've rarely had an instance where I was looking for something several entries back and just could not find it due to locking. If the file is really that rare, I could just friend the journal, get the file, and then un-friend it, but most of the time you can find the file somewhere else (especially scans and regular tv shows).

[acidae.livejournal.com]

Thanks for offering to help! I've already taken someone up on their offer since they asked first, but I hope it would be okay to come bug you about it in the future should she decide to stop for whatever reason. :3

[eyeslikefirefly.livejournal.com]

I can help with requests... I used to do posts over here:
http://community.livejournal.com/kh_press/
(before I changed my username)
So I know how much work it can be and what html to use and all that jazz.

Any plans to delete the comments of the requests that have been filled? Otherwise the request post will get too full, so maybe the requests should be filled in the request post each week, instead of in the main request post?
boys_paper has a good system because you can just post the response to the request in the community, but I'm not sure what they do with them when the person only fulfills the request in the comments of the main request post. :x

[acidae.livejournal.com]

Thanks for offering to help! I've already taken someone up on their offer since they asked first, but I hope it would be okay to come bug you about it in the future should she decide to stop for whatever reason. :3

I don't think I'll be deleting the comments just yet, since others who might be looking for the same thing could possibly come across them some time later. There's also a maximum of I think 10,000 comments allowed for posts now, so I don't think it should be a problem. What I might do instead is remove the comments for the monthly requests posts, so people would have to reply directly to the threads on the masterpost. I hadn't thought about that though, so thank you!

[eyeslikefirefly.livejournal.com]

Sure, feel free to bug me. XD

Did they up the amount of comments each post can have? O.O
Yeah, it seems a bit complicated, because I know not everyone has been posting replies to the community and if they did I think it would almost defeat the purpose of limiting the requests to one post.
Maybe there could be a compilation post of answers to requests when there starts to be too many comments to look through on the request post.. er.. if that makes sense. XD;
They could be organized by what kind of request they are (mp3, PV, video, etc.)... I dunno. Would that make things more complicated? Heh.
I almost think most of this would be solved if Arashian Files was fixed, but it looks like it might be gone for good now. :(

[acidae.livejournal.com]

Actually, the main reason behind limiting requests to one post was to cut down on the flooding of people's friends lists, not to keep all the requests in one tidy place-- though that was also one of the reasons, of course. XD

Hmm... I still think if comments were disabled on each monthly compilation post so people fulfilling requests would have to reply directly to the threads, those looking for something can easily check through the !requests post tag to see if it has already been asked for and simply click on the link leading to the thread they want. ^^;

As for organizing the requests, I might implement that in the future if the amount of requests continue to grow, but as it is right now there probably isn't a need for it just yet. I'll keep that in mind though, thanks!

[jocularreaction.livejournal.com]

hmm, I would say that "all of them should be banned regardless" because it'll be annoying for not only the late-comer, but also for the moderator in deleting the post.

instead, couldn't the person who's posting, lock it to "arashi_on members only"? such that only arashi_on members will see the post and the general public (unless the whole public joins...) won't see it. i know bittersweet_bun at ourhour community does that with the TBS shows she's uploaded... *shrugs* this IS difficult.... ;__;

[slowcharlotte.livejournal.com]

i voted for "Allow the temporarily public posts, then delete when they're locked"
but it does sound like a big work, eh?
i agree with font , for these kinda posts, make sure they put both [download: watever] tag, AND [temporary download] in their post. so maybe each month mods can just delete any post dated from last month.

i can see a few great souls offering themselves to help u on the request post adi~! goodluck!!

[boohaysaging.livejournal.com]

maybe if a community member finds a locked post, he can inform the moderator about it (give the exact link) so that the mods will not have to go through the trouble of going back through entries.

or better, when the person who posted decides to lock, he should delete his post (?)

[chocoreto.livejournal.com]

I'm against links to locked posts on personal journals too. I do understand the people who do that, after all they spent their time, effort, etc... upload them, but isn't the purpose of the community to share? so why "share" something that after some time will be locked? I know that they want to protect their things, but there are some other ways nee? like a password via PM or like [info]jocularreaction said locking it to "arashi_on members only", since is kind of annoying that you are desperately looking for something only to find that is locked T-T

On the other hand, like you said it will be difficult to go back through the community entries some time later to find the post and delete it, maybe if someone helps? I could help =) Although I do not share a lot, because I'm not that creative with the photoshop and also I do not know how to use Clubbox or video programs besides movie maker xD I do like to organize, I'm kind of Monica of FRIENDS, so If you want I could help with this and the requests monthly post ^^ ...

....eeettooo since we're talking about organizing,(here my inner Monica talking ^///^) maybe doing a Masterpost index like the one in boys_paper (bp_index)will make the search easier and could also help to do not show the tags page (obviously without stop using them) I could also help if you want ^^

[acidae.livejournal.com]

Thanks for offering to help! I've already taken someone up on their offer since they asked first, but I hope it would be okay to come bug you about it in the future should she decide to stop for whatever reason. :3

I did consider what you suggested about an index, but I think it would be far too much work to maintain, not to mention incredibly hard to organize to begin with. boys_paper is a specialized community just for posting scans that was started fairly recently, so while tedious, it's pretty easy to organize. On the other hand, this community's been around since 2002, not to mention the variety of media that is shared-- not just scans, but videos, music, fanworks, translations and much much more.

So in a nutshell, it's not that I don't think an index like that of boys_paper would be a good idea, I just don't think it would apply well to a general community like arashi_on. ^^;

[itachitachi.livejournal.com]

I don't mind the posts that are locked after a little while, but definitely feel that they should be required to be open for at least three days or so. And I agree with font, there could easily be some sort of [temporarily public] tag that you could require those posts to be tagged with, so that you could find them easily and delete them after they've been locked. It's more troublesome than banning temporary public posts entirely, but banning them would make it pointless for the posts to be public at all.

IDK. Did that just make sense? I think I'm totally incoherent.

[x-vickiiiie.livejournal.com]

I'm totally against the links to locked journals thing. It just makes the stuff that we actually want to get to impossible and pretty much a waste of a time browsing around for nothing.

On the other hand, we should also sort our the 5 million icon and wallpaper posts each day. It's insanely flooding people's f-lists. We should make another master post for monthly icons and wallpapers and get people to provide the links to such things in the master post instead and then the maintainer or somebody can update the master post instead on their behalf.

PS. I think that I can help with the monthly requests thing, that is all the requests underneath the master post because my f-list is far too hard to catch up with people posting in the irrelevant sections. Give me a hoot if you need help :D

[acidae.livejournal.com]

Thanks for offering to help! I've already taken someone up on their offer since they asked first, but I hope it would be okay to come bug you about it in the future should she decide to stop for whatever reason. :3

[aibaninosuki.livejournal.com]

I've gone for the first option.

It's really annoying when you finally saw something you've been looking for and it leads you to a locked post/journal.

And it's really difficult to go checking which post have been locked or not, then deleting it everytime.

People make their journal friends only for certain reasons. Mostly it's because they didn't want those whom they didn't know well to read their personal entries. So if we need to friend that person just to be able to download things, I think it's really quite impossible for me (since my LJ is full of personal stuffs rather than fandom stuffs >,>).

[nana-komatsu7.livejournal.com]

So if we need to friend that person just to be able to download things, I think it's really quite impossible for me (since my LJ is full of personal stuffs rather than fandom stuffs >,>).

I don't see the problem here. Because livejournal has got an useful filter option.
You can put the people only interested in the downloads in it and you will be fine ^_-

[nana-komatsu7.livejournal.com]

I voted for the "I don't know" option because none of the listed ones satisfies me. ^^
I can suggest to put the simplest rule: if you need to do a locked post (for example: for a TBS show) you can simply post the links in the community itself.

I usually lock my TBS posts after 4 days but I allow everyone to download after the date but I know it's not the usual way to do this thing everywhere... and it's really annoying when you click on a link and it's locked without a word... And I need to tell you if someone wants to post something locked, he needs to tell it... or I think it's good to delete those posts because it's not fair...
I don't agree with the first option instead.

my two cents of course!

[shfifty--five.livejournal.com]

Hm...I voted for I don't know cause I can definitely see both sides of the argument. I do have such hate when I come across a link for something I want but cannot access it anymore. However, to ban them completely from this community would be in my opinion ridiculous. So much is shared in this way so I feel like we would start mission out on things because people will no longer be able to post here. There is a chance they'll make a community to dump all their uploads/scans/whatever, but often people don't like to change.

As for option two of deleting posts after they're locked, I feel like that's just creating more work for mods.

So yeah, I guess I'm leaning more wards the second and third options, but I'd say just leave them be and if anything you friend get what you need and unfriend.

[dirtypopgurl.livejournal.com]

i'm ok with allowing a post that is made public for at most 2 weeks then delete the said post once it is already locked by the poster.
by doing this, members of this community wouldn't be forced to be-friend the lj account of the poster for the sole purpose of downloading vids which i think is unfair for the poster. i mean, friending someone who is only interested in your uploads and is not interested on the other posts outside of the fandom.
one of the reasons probably of the poster for locking their posts after being opened for public is because of copyright issues and they don't want to feel the wrath of johnny's?
as for finding the post that will eventually be locked to the public of the poster, i suggest creating a tag for it? so that it will be easy for you to track? :)

[dirtypopgurl.livejournal.com]

oh, i forgot to mention. if the position for the maintainer of the monthly request is still open, i'd like to apply. :) thanks!